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| Rainbow_Bright wrote: | | Send them back venus, I marked loads which drifted into narrative but the credit is given for the description which they do give and the 'going off track' shouldn't pull the marks down that low. |
That's exactly what we are doing. |
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Venus
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| Rainbow_Bright wrote: | | Sal's right, trollhula. If it's like mine, it's the same pen and writing so it suggests a poor/inexperienced marker more than anything. |
We have had quite a few of those too. |
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We are looking at our writing tomorrow, as we have a lazy day. Well the Y6s are out. We have a number of children who just missed a 4 by 1 one mark in writing. Our English has come out as half a per cent above floor target  and that is with one boy's score being incorrectly added up.
Have got the levels for individuals now and one child whom I have teacher assessed as level 3 in Maths, has got a level 5. Going to have to look at her paper carefully, she is not level 5 and by getting that she appears to be better at Maths than 2 of my bright boys, who just missed out on a 5. She also got 5 in Science which again is surprising. At least the secondary school will quikly realise that we are good at teacher assessment!
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| Who was she sitting next to? lol |
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jog_on
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Haven't looked at papers, as I don't know the kids, so it wouldn't help, but we're 78% in writing...82% in maths and 88% in science. Pretty pleased with those...do you think I'm right to be? Just out of SM, so classed as satisfactory school!
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whoa there pickle
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Still no English or maths back
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| Trollhula wrote: | Mine have been double marked with lots of changes made in red pen.Some of them 2 or 3 marks on each section leading to toatl changes of 9 or 10.
I am not sure why this is or if this is moderation.As you say does not inspire confidence.Head looking at them tonight
Too tired to write but had a brilliant day with two more performances and outdoor refreshments.Children brought tears to my eyes.
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Double marking in red indicates that the first marker had marked them but was subsequently failed as a marker and had to send back the papers. They were then sent out to another marker who also had to mark in red. There was no moderating of live papers by team leaders this year, as all standardisation was done on specific papers that everyone got.
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Trollhula
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That is very interesting Mrs Bean. Thank you for this information
I had ad ay for marking today as I mark the whole school writing assessments.We all do the SATS papers.
I had time to go through the marking of the Year 6 scripts and there are some strange incongruities.I hate to question the marking but some of it is not consistent.
Thank you.I am awaiting the arrival of my mother and Iam supposed to be cleaning!
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| Trollhula wrote: | That is very interesting Mrs Bean. Thank you for this information
I had ad ay for marking today as I mark the whole school writing assessments.We all do the SATS papers.
I had time to go through the marking of the Year 6 scripts and there are some strange incongruities.I hate to question the marking but some of it is not consistent.
Thank you.I am awaiting the arrival of my mother and Iam supposed to be cleaning!
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Why do you hate to question the marking? If it is not right, then you need to send it back. There is far too much inconsistent application of the markscheme this year - I know, because I have been on the other side of it, talking to team leaders I know and also marking them myself.
Example - I marked 9 schools altogether with a total of 330 pupils. Of all those children I only gave 1 for SSPTO on a shorter writing to one child. In our Y6 results there were 5 children who were given 1 mark for their shorter writing SSPTO - these were all children who were predicted LEVEL 4! When I checked, each one was worth at least 3 marks, with 1 that should have had 4 marks as it included complex sentences, commas to mark clauses, interesting sentence structure etc. etc. How is that 1 mark?? This marker is clearly an idiot!
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Hiya, well done Nelly as you have had a tough time and this just goes to show that you have made a difference. Well done.
JT - hope you are ok
We have had writing back and not good - dont think anyone got a level 5. Maths back which is a lot better thank goodness.
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Trollhula
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I suppose I need more balls!
I am sending back 6 children's scripts-both writing papers and 3 single scripts. I have read and reread and looked carefully at the mark scheme.
We compared side-by-side scripts with the same marks and the differences were incredible.
I called the hotline and got the details of the forms I need to fill in but nothing is live until the 7th.
Thanks and Looking forward to Micheal Rosen at Literacy Conference in the morning.
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HT too busy for me to sit down and go through papers! Grrr.
May just leave it.
Told chn they so happy! Got a little emotional with them and felt for a few.Will try and harass tom, but doubt it will get anywhere.
Lit co-ord hasnt even asked if we have the results, so why should I bother! |
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anyone checked their spelling marking?
we found just under half had marking errors.
some marked incorrectly when correct,
come marked correct when incorrect.
Some papers had examples of both!
v angry about shoddy marking!
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In fact - we really want to know if our marker is a student. We have many complaints other than spelling.
eg adding up incorrectly, giving one child a level 5 (36 marks) instead of level 4 (26 marks)
putting different marks on the cover to what was inside
not recognising connectives when they are also used to being sentences, but connect two ideas
not recognising adverbials
in fact generally under estimating writing - in our opinion ( 5 SMT with good experience in levelling)
we think she either gave the scripts to her friends to mark, came in drunk one night and waded through them ... or is just plain inexperienced and ignorant.
Anyone know her?
Does she know what a profound effect such poor marking has on a schools as far as OFSTED looking for value -added has, or on the poor kids themselves?
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Good morning.
Off to Lit leaders conference .Lots of advisors there who have been to watch me this term. I am looking forward to discussing my work with them.
Had a good mind to take my scripts and produce them during key note speaker and wave them from the back,shouting!
It will be a good break from school.
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| I think after last year they had recruitment problems. Last year cost them many of their most experienced markers. They emailed & phoned me several times (including on a Sunday morning!). |
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| Troll -- Hope your day goes well for you & gives your mind a break from all the SATS talk. |
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| mrsbean wrote: | | Trollhula wrote: | Mine have been double marked with lots of changes made in red pen.Some of them 2 or 3 marks on each section leading to toatl changes of 9 or 10.
I am not sure why this is or if this is moderation.As you say does not inspire confidence.Head looking at them tonight
Too tired to write but had a brilliant day with two more performances and outdoor refreshments.Children brought tears to my eyes.
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Double marking in red indicates that the first marker had marked them but was subsequently failed as a marker and had to send back the papers. They were then sent out to another marker who also had to mark in red. There was no moderating of live papers by team leaders this year, as all standardisation was done on specific papers that everyone got. |
We have had quite a few papers double marked in red. Does this mean, if I understand correctly, that our papers have already been marked twice. Is it worth sending them back if they have? The red handwriting seems to be one person rather than two.  |
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Just spoke to someone in my old school who said all their writing had to be sent back as children predicted level 5 were ungraded and marks were put in the wrong column etc.
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| Venus wrote: | | mrsbean wrote: | | Trollhula wrote: | Mine have been double marked with lots of changes made in red pen.Some of them 2 or 3 marks on each section leading to toatl changes of 9 or 10.
I am not sure why this is or if this is moderation.As you say does not inspire confidence.Head looking at them tonight
Too tired to write but had a brilliant day with two more performances and outdoor refreshments.Children brought tears to my eyes.
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Double marking in red indicates that the first marker had marked them but was subsequently failed as a marker and had to send back the papers. They were then sent out to another marker who also had to mark in red. There was no moderating of live papers by team leaders this year, as all standardisation was done on specific papers that everyone got. |
We have had quite a few papers double marked in red. Does this mean, if I understand correctly, that our papers have already been marked twice. Is it worth sending them back if they have? The red handwriting seems to be one person rather than two. |
If it is consistent double marking ie 2 sets of marks for every question then it is 2 people. If it is just a very undecided marker who keeps changing marks, then definitely send back! Even if it was 2 people - the first was obviously sacked therefore not competent, but there's no saying that the 2nd marker was any more reliable. There fore SEND THEM BACK!
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